Conservatives don’t have a marriage problem. They have a conservative problem. The definition has been watered down to where anybody who doesn’t vote Democrat gets called “conservative.”
The ability of gay-assed fake "conservatives" to hide behind "Oh I'm a financial conservative but a social liberal" is infuriating. They are neither. They are sycophants and self-centered nihilists.
Josh Hawley is a conservative that tells men to "man up" and get married. I wrote him to let him know that, given the family court system, men were shunning marriage out of fear of being destroyed in divorce court, He didn't reply.
Problem goes well beyond that, however. The real issue is that “conservatives” don’t even know what the hell it is they’re trying to “conserve” because most all conservatives are devoid of principles and convictions. To its credit, the left is not. That’s a serious problem.
If we are to be able to save America, it will have to be with the total rejection of “conservatism” and a return to fundamental Christian principles as rooted in the Christian founding of our country and a firm understanding of what it means to be an American nation, expressed as Christian nationalism. We really need America first. We also have to know what that means.
Excellent point! Leftists have been so successful at destruction --- see, for example, Los Angeles and Minneapolis -- that no sane person (are there any?) would want to conserve the rubble.
As to "Christian Nationalism" -- any talk of "Christian Nationalism" will be and is equated with "white supremacy." Both have been reduced to being one word and both are epic fails straight out of the gate.
You’re correct especially the last part where you say that “Christian nationalism” has been equated with “white supremacy”. That is one perfect example of how we have left the left define debate. As a starter, we have to totally reject that. Just like all of us Mr. reject any label of “racism” as a response in a debate or an argument when they have no points to make So they fall back to childlike name calling.
There will be no “Christian Nationalism “ because Christians are split on this issue between the stupidity of Left/Right Prog/Conservative dichotomy which means they are stuck in a dialectic on a false Dichotomy.
Let’s not forget that the one thread that runs through all forms of feminism is that it is, at its core, a female reproductive suppression strategy. Men compete against men for women, and women compete against women for men; the difference is in the means of competition. Men stay in their lane, for the most part, and run as fast as possible to the finish line. Whereas women never leave the starting line, but instead begin sabotaging and attacking one another immediately. Feminism is simply another strategy used by elite women to convince lesser women not to reproduce.
Of curse! They can have sex with Chads and when they hit the wall, and Chads move to have sex with 20 year olds, women with options get a lot of cats. Problem solved.
Yep, many expect new car price on a vehicle with 200k miles. They rode the carousal of Chads in their 20’s then, after having gotten plowed out by every guy who gave them attention but didn’t actually care about them, they decide to ‘settle’ down with some beta provider with no self-respect himself.
Really? More of us are buying homes when single than men are, and many of us have great jobs/enough to get by. Don't worry about us. We're not worried about dateless rightwing men.
Then as you approach the wall, you get desperate to find a man. The problem for your type is that all the good ones are not interested in chubby sagging 38-year-olds when they can date and marry women 10 to 20 years younger who want to raise a family.
The rightwing men have got their dolls out for the revenge fantasies again! Oops!
Women already want marriage less, and we don't like big age gaps. The average age gap is two years (man older). You know this, but don't want to face it.
You can get by with being single for a good portion of your adult life, but there is no comparable benefit beyond momentarily indulging of impulses. As you get older, the disadvantages and naturalness of single serfdom become more apparent.
Its less “women working doubles the labor pool, driving wages down”
The truth is that many white collar jobs and much of womens work is not as productive as the salary they receive. Their salaries are bouyed by overall surplus in the economy, which comes by suppressing wages for real workers.
Take a company with 20 factory workers and 10 office jobs. Imagine productivity of the factory improves or some input cost comes down. Those profits are then used to hire a new woman in the office, and the wages of the factory workers remain the same. This has happened society wide 1 million times over, all of our economic surplus is directed towards expanding the managerial class.
Thats the real explanation for women having hire wages than the men who build civilization
I can't respect women who consider themselves 'one of the good ones' for headpats and who like to see the rest of their sex suffer. It's impossible to think well of them. Just look at how treat their own daughters...
Not to mention you will save a lot of money in inevitable divorce! Also, you will protect your DNA and the whole world from having a child with a stupid woman.
Because the terms of marriage have radically shifted from the 19th century’s terms of rough (even harsh) equality to extreme bias against men. There are horror stories beyond count. Family Court judges, esp the women, are often quite open about this.
The primary reason for the declining rate of marriage in the US is that it no longer is a good deal for most men. It has taken men generations to realize this - overcoming “conservatives” ranting that it’s men’s duty to marry. But reality always wins in the end.
Note that the internet overflows with women complaining that men won’t marry them. Very little vice versa.
It's women who want to marry less, because women benefits women less than it does men. You can try to act aloof and as if it's men walking away, but all of the data contradicts you. Even your rightwing influences like Matt Walsh admit it.
Women were oppressed and trapped before. They had few options, and often were subjected to horrific treatment in marriage. They have money and opportunities now. Obviously marriage isn't going to be something they're salivating over. Why would it be?
Can you cite some articles about men complaining that they want to get married, but cannot find women interested in marriage?
But articles the other way are common as dirt. Articles asking “where are all the men?” Complaining about men’s unwillingness to marry (eg, the ‘Peter Pan’ syndrome). Complaining that men won’t approach them, even in bars.
Perhaps see the articles about matchmaking events, singles nights, speed dating meetings - events that cannot attract men. Even when the women pay but they are free for men.
The evidence is around you, if you wish to see it.
The Sisterhood of Eternal Victimhood has truly created a brave new world for women and girls.
First, it has basically destroyed men's trust in women, as the ugly side of the fair sex has now been fully exposed. This includes hypergamy, hyper-materialism, suicidal compassion, and mindless promiscuity. The percentage of young women earning a living showing their holes online is truly depressing.
The result of this has been a crash in marriage and natalism. This has led to a rapidly declining population in the West. In some countries retirees will soon outnumber workers 3:1.
The end result is collapsing economies.
BUT WAIT!!! The politicians have come up with a solution! Flood the West with tens of millions of unvetted, unskilled, and hostile young men from cultures where women and girls are little more than chattel.
The West is already experiencing the inevitable result of this barbarian invasion. Women across Western Europe now fear stepping outside thanks to a dramatic rise in casual harassment and sexual assault from utterly useless Third World males who live for free off taxpayers and contribute nothing but a threat to the native population.
It’s always women who are the greatest supporters of every civilization destroying idea.
There’s truth in the words: Men build civilizations; women destroy them.
Now for the bad news. Women have an instinctual drive to survive. That means defecting when their men appear weak. See the rape of the Sabine women. The Sabine women were finally conquered and absorbed by Rome in 290 BC.
It is happening now. The strongest advocates of DEI are women. The judges giving wrist-slaps to Black or Brown rapists are disproportionately women. They show no loyalty or solidarity to their men, our society, or each other.
Well... modern women will have very fulfilling live with bunch of cats! Especially when they get old. No children, no grandchildren... and cats everywhere!
Everything about the state is against marriage. Every tax, regulation, and other economic mess caused by the state at every level makes it harder for married men and women to spend time with one another. Taxation is theft. Regulation is theft. Inflation is theft.
Problem is very simple. Women want to be married but don’t want to be wives. The men I speak with all express the same frustrations - the women won’t put out and there is a constant imposed argument about “equality”.
Women who don’t submit to their husbands is “the” problem.
Why should a woman have to submit? That's degrading to women. Hopefully these women ditch their husbands. When men are controlling like that it often ends in violence.
It's not degrading. If a woman doesn't want to submit to her husband then she doesn't deserve to be a wife - and yeah he should either not marry her or if it's too bad just divorce her.
There is always some paranoid plea about "violence" and "control".
1. Women contribute to and often times instigate those issues. Women are not the helpless victims of marital abuse. Women never stop and ask themselves - "what was my part in causing this problem".
2. Submitting to your husband doesn't mean fetching drinks or acting like a slave - it means you are actively and earnestly contributing to the health and happiness of the home.
"happy wife happy life" is a bullish* mindset - happy husband happy life is where you find truth.
A Happy husband will make a happy wife, a happy home and a happy life.
"Once birth control and abortion made pregnancy a choice instead of an inevitability, everything shifted."
I think you may have missed which the cause and which the effect, my friend.
Contraception is essential to substitute recreational and transactional sexual congress for the martial embrace. Divorce and abortion are time machines - do overs, so no one can has to face consequences for their choices. Such as, substituting "sex", the act for marriage, the relationship between the sexes.
Id est, once upon a time, Christian marriage was a relationship which benefited, a) the resulting children, )b brought glory to God by rearing up Godly children c) the society or nation and d) lastly, but crucially, the Husband and his Wife.
This relationship was the foundation of all civilization and was recognized as such by religion and law. Everything was built around an ordinary family, in an ordinary home, with their ordinary children. As soon as someone said "You will not die the death. But on the day that you eat of of it...." I.e., "Sex" - not procreation, sex, the mechanical act - sex is great, Somebody is hiding the good stuff from you; as soon as we listened to that, we were already doomed.
Birth control and abortion were not new in the twentieth century. We got better at them, because of demand, but religion and law have been denouncing them as far back as the records go. What changed was not that they were available, but that they were needed. So that we could do what we wanted, and not have to have to wake in the garden, scared, naked, and knowing...
Modern Western man has sought freedom from the burden of duty to family, state, and nation. Modern Western woman has sought freedom from the burden of having children. If the West is to have a future, both must once again live for something more than themselves.
All I want to see is women getting the same " skin in the game" from voting that men do: a military draft. Instead they get to vote because political cucks thought of the 19th amendment. Not good enough. Women have that same rights? OK, they get the same treatment in war that the men get. Sauce for the gander is good enough for the goose. Oh, they won't fit well is combat? That is ok. For every guy is combat you have at least 3 supporting him.
Conservatives don’t have a marriage problem. They have a conservative problem. The definition has been watered down to where anybody who doesn’t vote Democrat gets called “conservative.”
The ability of gay-assed fake "conservatives" to hide behind "Oh I'm a financial conservative but a social liberal" is infuriating. They are neither. They are sycophants and self-centered nihilists.
Josh Hawley is a conservative that tells men to "man up" and get married. I wrote him to let him know that, given the family court system, men were shunning marriage out of fear of being destroyed in divorce court, He didn't reply.
Conservatives conserve what the Democrats achieved 10 years ago.
Aren't they all just a bunch of sluts pretending to be conservative? If they are any type of conservative at all?
This is correct.
Problem goes well beyond that, however. The real issue is that “conservatives” don’t even know what the hell it is they’re trying to “conserve” because most all conservatives are devoid of principles and convictions. To its credit, the left is not. That’s a serious problem.
If we are to be able to save America, it will have to be with the total rejection of “conservatism” and a return to fundamental Christian principles as rooted in the Christian founding of our country and a firm understanding of what it means to be an American nation, expressed as Christian nationalism. We really need America first. We also have to know what that means.
Excellent point! Leftists have been so successful at destruction --- see, for example, Los Angeles and Minneapolis -- that no sane person (are there any?) would want to conserve the rubble.
As to "Christian Nationalism" -- any talk of "Christian Nationalism" will be and is equated with "white supremacy." Both have been reduced to being one word and both are epic fails straight out of the gate.
You’re correct especially the last part where you say that “Christian nationalism” has been equated with “white supremacy”. That is one perfect example of how we have left the left define debate. As a starter, we have to totally reject that. Just like all of us Mr. reject any label of “racism” as a response in a debate or an argument when they have no points to make So they fall back to childlike name calling.
There will be no “Christian Nationalism “ because Christians are split on this issue between the stupidity of Left/Right Prog/Conservative dichotomy which means they are stuck in a dialectic on a false Dichotomy.
It’s not going to happen.
I’m afraid you’re right, for the reason that you gave . Unfortunately, in that case America is finished.
Come read my stuff when y'all are done with the basics.
Let’s not forget that the one thread that runs through all forms of feminism is that it is, at its core, a female reproductive suppression strategy. Men compete against men for women, and women compete against women for men; the difference is in the means of competition. Men stay in their lane, for the most part, and run as fast as possible to the finish line. Whereas women never leave the starting line, but instead begin sabotaging and attacking one another immediately. Feminism is simply another strategy used by elite women to convince lesser women not to reproduce.
Women just have more options now to survive, and so don't pick marriage as much, as it often makes their life worse.e
Of curse! They can have sex with Chads and when they hit the wall, and Chads move to have sex with 20 year olds, women with options get a lot of cats. Problem solved.
Yep, many expect new car price on a vehicle with 200k miles. They rode the carousal of Chads in their 20’s then, after having gotten plowed out by every guy who gave them attention but didn’t actually care about them, they decide to ‘settle’ down with some beta provider with no self-respect himself.
Yes, living in poverty and collecting cats/house plants.
Really? More of us are buying homes when single than men are, and many of us have great jobs/enough to get by. Don't worry about us. We're not worried about dateless rightwing men.
Then as you approach the wall, you get desperate to find a man. The problem for your type is that all the good ones are not interested in chubby sagging 38-year-olds when they can date and marry women 10 to 20 years younger who want to raise a family.
The rightwing men have got their dolls out for the revenge fantasies again! Oops!
Women already want marriage less, and we don't like big age gaps. The average age gap is two years (man older). You know this, but don't want to face it.
How old are you, if I may ask?
My hunch is that you are 40 or more and realizing that your chances of a fulfilling life are over.
You can get by with being single for a good portion of your adult life, but there is no comparable benefit beyond momentarily indulging of impulses. As you get older, the disadvantages and naturalness of single serfdom become more apparent.
Its less “women working doubles the labor pool, driving wages down”
The truth is that many white collar jobs and much of womens work is not as productive as the salary they receive. Their salaries are bouyed by overall surplus in the economy, which comes by suppressing wages for real workers.
Take a company with 20 factory workers and 10 office jobs. Imagine productivity of the factory improves or some input cost comes down. Those profits are then used to hire a new woman in the office, and the wages of the factory workers remain the same. This has happened society wide 1 million times over, all of our economic surplus is directed towards expanding the managerial class.
Thats the real explanation for women having hire wages than the men who build civilization
Only a complete moron without a single brain cell of reason would marry any of the modern women.
Good good. Obviously women don't want to settle with men who need women to shrink/be oppressed.
Someone should oppress you to the point that you finally shut up.
I can't respect women who consider themselves 'one of the good ones' for headpats and who like to see the rest of their sex suffer. It's impossible to think well of them. Just look at how treat their own daughters...
You have the Sisterhood of Eternal Victimhood mental disease at a terminal level.
What you need is a good man to marry you while you can still have babies and make an honest woman out of you.
She needs a good taste of Sharia to see how prized and privileged she is by modern US men.
Therefore, they get tattoos, ring noses and cats. In exchange, we men are saved from stupidity and get pice of mind and tranquility!
Yes, win win!
Not to mention you will save a lot of money in inevitable divorce! Also, you will protect your DNA and the whole world from having a child with a stupid woman.
This is an interesting article. What planet does he live on”
He should leave his bubble and chat with one of the feminists running America. such as a Family Court judge.
>What planet does he live on”
Ok, asking for help here.
Is this comment sarcasm?
Or is the commenter serious?
I gave a brief explanation upthread:
https://auronmacintyre.substack.com/p/conservatives-are-afraid-to-talk/comment/258691373
There are more detailed explanations, such as this:
https://www.aporiamagazine.com/p/human-reproduction-as-prisoners-dilemma
Thank you. Will check it out.
Feel free to check out some of my posts. I linked to two in an eralier comment.
Why should he talk to the feminists running things like a Family Court judge?
Because the terms of marriage have radically shifted from the 19th century’s terms of rough (even harsh) equality to extreme bias against men. There are horror stories beyond count. Family Court judges, esp the women, are often quite open about this.
The primary reason for the declining rate of marriage in the US is that it no longer is a good deal for most men. It has taken men generations to realize this - overcoming “conservatives” ranting that it’s men’s duty to marry. But reality always wins in the end.
Note that the internet overflows with women complaining that men won’t marry them. Very little vice versa.
It's women who want to marry less, because women benefits women less than it does men. You can try to act aloof and as if it's men walking away, but all of the data contradicts you. Even your rightwing influences like Matt Walsh admit it.
Women were oppressed and trapped before. They had few options, and often were subjected to horrific treatment in marriage. They have money and opportunities now. Obviously marriage isn't going to be something they're salivating over. Why would it be?
This sums up your reality nicely.
https://i.imgur.com/yUZCbgm.jpeg
Aofia00,
Can you cite some articles about men complaining that they want to get married, but cannot find women interested in marriage?
But articles the other way are common as dirt. Articles asking “where are all the men?” Complaining about men’s unwillingness to marry (eg, the ‘Peter Pan’ syndrome). Complaining that men won’t approach them, even in bars.
Perhaps see the articles about matchmaking events, singles nights, speed dating meetings - events that cannot attract men. Even when the women pay but they are free for men.
The evidence is around you, if you wish to see it.
https://i.imgur.com/yUZCbgm.jpeg
The Sisterhood of Eternal Victimhood has truly created a brave new world for women and girls.
First, it has basically destroyed men's trust in women, as the ugly side of the fair sex has now been fully exposed. This includes hypergamy, hyper-materialism, suicidal compassion, and mindless promiscuity. The percentage of young women earning a living showing their holes online is truly depressing.
The result of this has been a crash in marriage and natalism. This has led to a rapidly declining population in the West. In some countries retirees will soon outnumber workers 3:1.
The end result is collapsing economies.
BUT WAIT!!! The politicians have come up with a solution! Flood the West with tens of millions of unvetted, unskilled, and hostile young men from cultures where women and girls are little more than chattel.
The West is already experiencing the inevitable result of this barbarian invasion. Women across Western Europe now fear stepping outside thanks to a dramatic rise in casual harassment and sexual assault from utterly useless Third World males who live for free off taxpayers and contribute nothing but a threat to the native population.
It’s always women who are the greatest supporters of every civilization destroying idea.
There’s truth in the words: Men build civilizations; women destroy them.
In case anyone wishes to find out more:
https://planetfubar.substack.com/p/angela-merkel-destroyer-of-worlds
https://planetfubar.substack.com/p/are-women-finally-waking-up-to-the
Uncle,
Now for the bad news. Women have an instinctual drive to survive. That means defecting when their men appear weak. See the rape of the Sabine women. The Sabine women were finally conquered and absorbed by Rome in 290 BC.
It is happening now. The strongest advocates of DEI are women. The judges giving wrist-slaps to Black or Brown rapists are disproportionately women. They show no loyalty or solidarity to their men, our society, or each other.
Well... modern women will have very fulfilling live with bunch of cats! Especially when they get old. No children, no grandchildren... and cats everywhere!
Not your concern, Paul.
True! I am sure the cat ladies will finally find what they were looking for after Chads are done with them!
What a stupid response. Of course it's everyone's concern. The feminist death cult is affecting us all.
You are an idiot.
For stating facts, Sara? I know they be dangerous things around these parts...
Everything about the state is against marriage. Every tax, regulation, and other economic mess caused by the state at every level makes it harder for married men and women to spend time with one another. Taxation is theft. Regulation is theft. Inflation is theft.
Everything is aimed towards serfdom.
Read the rest at The Blaze. Behind a paywall. No thanks.
It is annoying isn't it?
Problem is very simple. Women want to be married but don’t want to be wives. The men I speak with all express the same frustrations - the women won’t put out and there is a constant imposed argument about “equality”.
Women who don’t submit to their husbands is “the” problem.
Why should a woman have to submit? That's degrading to women. Hopefully these women ditch their husbands. When men are controlling like that it often ends in violence.
It's not degrading. If a woman doesn't want to submit to her husband then she doesn't deserve to be a wife - and yeah he should either not marry her or if it's too bad just divorce her.
There is always some paranoid plea about "violence" and "control".
1. Women contribute to and often times instigate those issues. Women are not the helpless victims of marital abuse. Women never stop and ask themselves - "what was my part in causing this problem".
2. Submitting to your husband doesn't mean fetching drinks or acting like a slave - it means you are actively and earnestly contributing to the health and happiness of the home.
"happy wife happy life" is a bullish* mindset - happy husband happy life is where you find truth.
A Happy husband will make a happy wife, a happy home and a happy life.
Anyone else annoyed with being forced to click through a series of links only to meet a paywall everytime?
Yes
"Once birth control and abortion made pregnancy a choice instead of an inevitability, everything shifted."
I think you may have missed which the cause and which the effect, my friend.
Contraception is essential to substitute recreational and transactional sexual congress for the martial embrace. Divorce and abortion are time machines - do overs, so no one can has to face consequences for their choices. Such as, substituting "sex", the act for marriage, the relationship between the sexes.
Id est, once upon a time, Christian marriage was a relationship which benefited, a) the resulting children, )b brought glory to God by rearing up Godly children c) the society or nation and d) lastly, but crucially, the Husband and his Wife.
This relationship was the foundation of all civilization and was recognized as such by religion and law. Everything was built around an ordinary family, in an ordinary home, with their ordinary children. As soon as someone said "You will not die the death. But on the day that you eat of of it...." I.e., "Sex" - not procreation, sex, the mechanical act - sex is great, Somebody is hiding the good stuff from you; as soon as we listened to that, we were already doomed.
Birth control and abortion were not new in the twentieth century. We got better at them, because of demand, but religion and law have been denouncing them as far back as the records go. What changed was not that they were available, but that they were needed. So that we could do what we wanted, and not have to have to wake in the garden, scared, naked, and knowing...
But Auron. I don't want to read it on the blaze.
Blame no-fault divorce and 95% automatic mother custody.
Modern Western man has sought freedom from the burden of duty to family, state, and nation. Modern Western woman has sought freedom from the burden of having children. If the West is to have a future, both must once again live for something more than themselves.
You made a few great points. It’s a problem that will just continue to grow. But since when has a conservative ever conserved anything?
All I want to see is women getting the same " skin in the game" from voting that men do: a military draft. Instead they get to vote because political cucks thought of the 19th amendment. Not good enough. Women have that same rights? OK, they get the same treatment in war that the men get. Sauce for the gander is good enough for the goose. Oh, they won't fit well is combat? That is ok. For every guy is combat you have at least 3 supporting him.