On Christmas Day, a debate erupted on X between different factions of the right over H-1B worker visas after businessmen like Elon Musk, David Sacks, and Vivek Ramaswamy spoke up in favor of the program.
“Population decline is one of Musk’s great fears, but if he really wants people to have children, then he needs to give them future opportunities to strive for.”
Nailed it. Good paying American jobs for American workers. Make single income households great again.
Musk could be a little more supportive of working remotely, as well. Lot easier to afford children if you combine urban salaries with rural cost of living.
Indeed, the H – 1B cheap labor visa program will be a touchstone in the movement. For decades, the “conservative“ movement has been dominated by a large percentage of open borders, free traitor (that’s not a typo), people who view America as in “economic opportunity zone” and nothing else. The H – 1B visa program is a perfect example of that..
I have a PhD in electrical engineering and applied physics and I’ve worked for decades in high-tech industries, both in wireless communications and quantum computing, and it’s been my experience that very few of the H – 1B people hired are of any real value. It is simply a cheap labor exploitation program., and it must be eliminated.
I also can’t express my contempt and loathing for Vivek Ramaswami because of his position, my feeling regarding Elon Musk is not much better as a consequence either
Auron, thank you for this article of hope, you nailed it. It is a good thing to have a debate about the facts of immigration policy and create a critical path forward to finally put this to rest. Finally we can fix this issue, and I love your idea of the tech moguls and industrialists putting on tech boot camps! Genius, I would also like to see birthright citizenship put to an end.
Your insights resonate deeply. Clear. Articulate.Perfect tone. Fantastic.
You sparked some thoughts for me,
particularly regarding the fundamental value of liberty and freedom in fostering human potential. While mathematical and scientific talent exists across the globe, the transformative power of a free society creates an environment where innovation can truly flourish. In a free market system, even those with moderate abilities can often achieve remarkable outcomes because they have the liberty to experiment, fail, and persist without artificial constraints.
The stark reality is that brilliant minds operating under authoritarian systems face inherent limitations, regardless of their raw talent. The "winds of liberty," provide not just opportunity but also the essential oxygen for creativity and advancement. This dynamic has historically been one of America's greatest competitive advantages.
Your point about Elon and Tech cultivating talent is particularly salient. Imagine the possibilities if we deliberately nurtured these capabilities while preserving the bedrock principles of individual liberty. This perspective does indeed align with some of Ramaswamy's arguments, no matter how offensive they were.
Raw intellectual capacity, while important, is just one component of innovation and progress. The institutional framework of freedom - both economic and personal - may be equally if not more crucial in determining ultimate outcomes and achievements. And they seem to be making the argument leaning heavily on raw talent rather than good soil and cultivation. You can see why Maga is offended. It seems these men have forgotten who we are and banking on exterior values than internal ones.
"In a free market system, even those with moderate abilities can often achieve remarkable outcomes because they have the liberty to experiment, fail, and persist without artificial constraints."
You make a stunning and deeply significant point there!
Thank you! I appreciate Auron for promoting it. It doesn't hurt that I've been bathing in Thomas Sowell's writings this past month. His Basic Economics is indirectly touching this whole conversation.
" Shut out from working-class jobs, many Americans rose to the challenge, gaining the necessary education and credentials for more skilled jobs, only to find that they were excluded from new, well-paying jobs because they did not meet the diversity requirements." --> This is not true. The high-paying jobs in Silicon Valley and Seattle and the Bay Area are mostly held by whites. The white people who can't make it there simply won't work for the same salaries as H1-Bs (but will happily and easily work elsewhere if they are skilled or competent programmers or coders or engineers). Also, many people won't put up with some of the unscrupulous practices of some employers in the area because it affects real American lives ("users"). It may matter less to the guys fleeing some small village in India or China, because they are going to have a hard time back home, otherwise. So yeah.
"Ramaswamy also ignored the fact that talent in the United States has been intentionally suppressed to serve the DEI agenda of the left." --> Also untrue, DEI does not suppress talent, it pretty much suppresses either (1) a bunch of Asian and white tech bros with autistic tendencies and white and asian supremacist biases from saying "these people are too different and scare me or are going to fuck my girlfriend" or a bunch of average to above average IQ jocks in business and finance from saying (2) "these people are too different and I will look weird hanging out with them" from promoting anyone less qualified (white comfort) than the norm at their respective place.
"Ramaswamy took things a step farther, asserting that American culture and its veneration of the football player over the nerd made the U.S. uncompetitive on the world stage." --> This is a ridiculous stance by Ramaswamy, I agree. You can be all a nerd and and an athlete. He is just mad a "big black guy" pushed him around in school and he was too much of a pussy (sorry) to do anything about it.
Lol, no; you get what you fuckin' deserve. You call me blackpiller when I tell you Elon and Theil only want Infinty Pajeets Forever and Gay Bath-houses; yet now you write polemically about how they should invest in America? Why would they ever do that? When they can just get Infinity Pajeets Forever?
The canary in the coal mine is Canada, UK, and Australia. Three large Anglo countries across three different continents.
All went "all-in" on infinite Indian immigration the last decade. All stagnating on a per capita GDP basis. All failed to create Silicon Valley 2.0. All consider it a failure and incumbents are losing big time.
Silicon Valley is an ethos. Risk taking, non-conformity, and a variety of anglo values.
Hot house cram school culture is the opposite.
And Indian culture in particular, with its nepotism, corruption, dishonesty, and factionalism is particularly toxic.
Indian values are great for ruthlessly taking over existing institutions, but not building or maintaining them. The rest of the anglo sphere already figure this out.
Ironically, it would be in the best interest of existing Indian immigrants to cut immigration. They already have a critical mass of co-ethnics. Further immigration will "dilute the brand" and cause massive strain with the native populations as happened in the other anglo countries.
Like Catholic Europe in 1924 or Hispanics in the 2024 election, Indians need to recognize that a break is necessary to facilitate proper immigration.
The sports team discussion in this article is pretty off base. Take the NBA for example: while it is true that teams wish they could develop and keep more home grown talent, they don't mean talent literally from the city they live in. They mean players they identified and brought in via the draft, which necessarily brings in players from many other communities to the team.
I once worked for a city council, an employer that always has difficulty recruiting and retaining talent, and this is exacerbated by every recruit knowing they can work there for 2 years then go an hour away to a much larger city and their experience will get them a much higher salary.
We set up a paid internship scheme with the local University and Polytechnic and we traded a few dollars and some time for the opportunity to scout the graduate talent in advance and reasonable chances to secure some who were more inclined to stick around for reasons other than pure cash.
This WORKS.
Like most things all it takes is the vision, the will, and some work.
Musk and Ramaswampy are doing nothing more than shouting at the world that they lack one or more of these ingredients.
The groyper bans need to be lifted. I'm not especially fond of Fuentes et al, but giving them the hammer over H1Bs and not, e.g, swastika kitsch is conspicuously one-sided.
Elon should ban a lot more people. Look at the comments here and the cautious, praising approach to this issue from most of the right.
It's clear as day that people have been resting on their laurels and ODing on "whitepills".
We need people to be aware that capital is not their friend and billionaires cannot be right wing nor nationalists. We need people to fight these new elites, not to try to become their friends.
It's deeply humiliating to see people suck up to Elon. It has to stop.
So, please, more bans, more mask off moments, until the right is forced to wake up.
“Population decline is one of Musk’s great fears, but if he really wants people to have children, then he needs to give them future opportunities to strive for.”
Nailed it. Good paying American jobs for American workers. Make single income households great again.
Musk could be a little more supportive of working remotely, as well. Lot easier to afford children if you combine urban salaries with rural cost of living.
Why would that ever happen when he can just import Infinity Pajeets Forever?
An excellent essay once again.
Indeed, the H – 1B cheap labor visa program will be a touchstone in the movement. For decades, the “conservative“ movement has been dominated by a large percentage of open borders, free traitor (that’s not a typo), people who view America as in “economic opportunity zone” and nothing else. The H – 1B visa program is a perfect example of that..
I have a PhD in electrical engineering and applied physics and I’ve worked for decades in high-tech industries, both in wireless communications and quantum computing, and it’s been my experience that very few of the H – 1B people hired are of any real value. It is simply a cheap labor exploitation program., and it must be eliminated.
I also can’t express my contempt and loathing for Vivek Ramaswami because of his position, my feeling regarding Elon Musk is not much better as a consequence either
Auron, thank you for this article of hope, you nailed it. It is a good thing to have a debate about the facts of immigration policy and create a critical path forward to finally put this to rest. Finally we can fix this issue, and I love your idea of the tech moguls and industrialists putting on tech boot camps! Genius, I would also like to see birthright citizenship put to an end.
Your insights resonate deeply. Clear. Articulate.Perfect tone. Fantastic.
You sparked some thoughts for me,
particularly regarding the fundamental value of liberty and freedom in fostering human potential. While mathematical and scientific talent exists across the globe, the transformative power of a free society creates an environment where innovation can truly flourish. In a free market system, even those with moderate abilities can often achieve remarkable outcomes because they have the liberty to experiment, fail, and persist without artificial constraints.
The stark reality is that brilliant minds operating under authoritarian systems face inherent limitations, regardless of their raw talent. The "winds of liberty," provide not just opportunity but also the essential oxygen for creativity and advancement. This dynamic has historically been one of America's greatest competitive advantages.
Your point about Elon and Tech cultivating talent is particularly salient. Imagine the possibilities if we deliberately nurtured these capabilities while preserving the bedrock principles of individual liberty. This perspective does indeed align with some of Ramaswamy's arguments, no matter how offensive they were.
Raw intellectual capacity, while important, is just one component of innovation and progress. The institutional framework of freedom - both economic and personal - may be equally if not more crucial in determining ultimate outcomes and achievements. And they seem to be making the argument leaning heavily on raw talent rather than good soil and cultivation. You can see why Maga is offended. It seems these men have forgotten who we are and banking on exterior values than internal ones.
Good stuff.
"In a free market system, even those with moderate abilities can often achieve remarkable outcomes because they have the liberty to experiment, fail, and persist without artificial constraints."
You make a stunning and deeply significant point there!
Thank you! I appreciate Auron for promoting it. It doesn't hurt that I've been bathing in Thomas Sowell's writings this past month. His Basic Economics is indirectly touching this whole conversation.
" Shut out from working-class jobs, many Americans rose to the challenge, gaining the necessary education and credentials for more skilled jobs, only to find that they were excluded from new, well-paying jobs because they did not meet the diversity requirements." --> This is not true. The high-paying jobs in Silicon Valley and Seattle and the Bay Area are mostly held by whites. The white people who can't make it there simply won't work for the same salaries as H1-Bs (but will happily and easily work elsewhere if they are skilled or competent programmers or coders or engineers). Also, many people won't put up with some of the unscrupulous practices of some employers in the area because it affects real American lives ("users"). It may matter less to the guys fleeing some small village in India or China, because they are going to have a hard time back home, otherwise. So yeah.
"Ramaswamy also ignored the fact that talent in the United States has been intentionally suppressed to serve the DEI agenda of the left." --> Also untrue, DEI does not suppress talent, it pretty much suppresses either (1) a bunch of Asian and white tech bros with autistic tendencies and white and asian supremacist biases from saying "these people are too different and scare me or are going to fuck my girlfriend" or a bunch of average to above average IQ jocks in business and finance from saying (2) "these people are too different and I will look weird hanging out with them" from promoting anyone less qualified (white comfort) than the norm at their respective place.
"Ramaswamy took things a step farther, asserting that American culture and its veneration of the football player over the nerd made the U.S. uncompetitive on the world stage." --> This is a ridiculous stance by Ramaswamy, I agree. You can be all a nerd and and an athlete. He is just mad a "big black guy" pushed him around in school and he was too much of a pussy (sorry) to do anything about it.
Lol, no; you get what you fuckin' deserve. You call me blackpiller when I tell you Elon and Theil only want Infinty Pajeets Forever and Gay Bath-houses; yet now you write polemically about how they should invest in America? Why would they ever do that? When they can just get Infinity Pajeets Forever?
Nothing Good Has Ever Happened.
The canary in the coal mine is Canada, UK, and Australia. Three large Anglo countries across three different continents.
All went "all-in" on infinite Indian immigration the last decade. All stagnating on a per capita GDP basis. All failed to create Silicon Valley 2.0. All consider it a failure and incumbents are losing big time.
Silicon Valley is an ethos. Risk taking, non-conformity, and a variety of anglo values.
Hot house cram school culture is the opposite.
And Indian culture in particular, with its nepotism, corruption, dishonesty, and factionalism is particularly toxic.
Indian values are great for ruthlessly taking over existing institutions, but not building or maintaining them. The rest of the anglo sphere already figure this out.
Ironically, it would be in the best interest of existing Indian immigrants to cut immigration. They already have a critical mass of co-ethnics. Further immigration will "dilute the brand" and cause massive strain with the native populations as happened in the other anglo countries.
Like Catholic Europe in 1924 or Hispanics in the 2024 election, Indians need to recognize that a break is necessary to facilitate proper immigration.
The sports team discussion in this article is pretty off base. Take the NBA for example: while it is true that teams wish they could develop and keep more home grown talent, they don't mean talent literally from the city they live in. They mean players they identified and brought in via the draft, which necessarily brings in players from many other communities to the team.
I once worked for a city council, an employer that always has difficulty recruiting and retaining talent, and this is exacerbated by every recruit knowing they can work there for 2 years then go an hour away to a much larger city and their experience will get them a much higher salary.
We set up a paid internship scheme with the local University and Polytechnic and we traded a few dollars and some time for the opportunity to scout the graduate talent in advance and reasonable chances to secure some who were more inclined to stick around for reasons other than pure cash.
This WORKS.
Like most things all it takes is the vision, the will, and some work.
Musk and Ramaswampy are doing nothing more than shouting at the world that they lack one or more of these ingredients.
Elon is NOT in support of freedom of speech, he literally bans you for mocking him or his allies or positions.
Stop this lunacy please.
The groyper bans need to be lifted. I'm not especially fond of Fuentes et al, but giving them the hammer over H1Bs and not, e.g, swastika kitsch is conspicuously one-sided.
Actually, I disagree.
Elon should ban a lot more people. Look at the comments here and the cautious, praising approach to this issue from most of the right.
It's clear as day that people have been resting on their laurels and ODing on "whitepills".
We need people to be aware that capital is not their friend and billionaires cannot be right wing nor nationalists. We need people to fight these new elites, not to try to become their friends.
It's deeply humiliating to see people suck up to Elon. It has to stop.
So, please, more bans, more mask off moments, until the right is forced to wake up.
"Billionaires cannot be right-wing" is a new one for me, unless you're using a very particular definition of 'the right'.
It's because all tech bros are traitors and they always betray their race for more techbro money.
True prosperity makes a sound, and that sound is the wailing and lamentations of tycoons whining about labor shortages.
https://rulesforreactionaries.substack.com/p/the-h-1b-question